we don't have a good idea of what happened in benghazi, what failures there were. we had today, at the white house briefing, the administration absolutely determined to say, this was all because of this movie. it is because of the movie and all of the demonstrations, all across the region -- >> why are they hung up on that? >> i think there are two reasons. one, the president showed, in my opinion, an enormous naivete in 200 19, thinking he could go to the middle-east, offer his own wonderful self and muzz limings would start to like the united states better. that's not happening. i think that some people in the administration are so involved in this democracy idea that believing that democracy is can take hold that this is clearly evidence that it ain't working. >> i think it's -- if neigh can keep the focus on the movie, then they can hope that the governments in these countries can do something to sorts of tamp down the violence and call off the protests. >> but if that's their goal, i think they have it backwards. the fact that -- that cairo embassy elevated th